Right after Pride Month.
Tens of thousands of people who say they were sexually abused while scouts and filed suit against the Boy Scouts of America have reached an $850 million settlement, the largest in a child sexual abuse case in United States history.
More than 84,000 people are part of the lawsuit against the 110-year-old organization, which has been plagued with claims of abuse from volunteers and leaders since the 1960s. The Boy Scouts of America filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy last year as it faced mounting legal costs to defend itself against claims of sexual abuse against boys.
Ken Rothweiler, an attorney at Eisenberg Rothweiler in Philadelphia who represents the largest group of claimants — more than 16,800 people — says that this settlement is a start. The insurance rights for the past 40 years will be put into a trust that the survivor’s group will control and that could amount to billions more for the victims.
Thousands of now adults are alleging that, when they were boys, they were molested by homosexual men working and volunteering for the Boy Scouts organization. They allege that the adult men perpetrated homosexual acts on them.
LGBT activists and organizations have not yet commented.
The LGBT supporters don’t comment on this because at the time of these abuses of boys (many years ago before LGBT became mainstream in society), the boy scouts men did not do their abuses in the name of LGBT nor have they ever supported the LGBT ideology.
In fact, Until very recently during the last years of Obama era, the Scouts have always been a Conservative anti-LGBT organisation. Just like RC Church. So all these abuses of boys whether from RC Church or scouts were done by men who oppose LGBT and preach Conservative “family values”. Just like how in Pakistan there is also a huge epidemic of sexual abuse and molestation of boys at the medressahs and Qurаn schools by anti-LGBT Conservative orthodox “traditional family values” pious men. This is a case of Resoulullah SAW’s prophecy being fulfilled where Muslims end up copying the Jеws and Christians so much to the point of falling into the same lizard hole as them.
So therefore the supporters of LGBT can use these abuse incidents to argue against you by saying that really it is these anti-LGBT religious conservatives who are the real problem that support molesting boys. Whereas the secular liberals who support LGBT ALWAYS make a distinction between adult and child regarding sеxuаl activities.
Remember that they always push this magic age of 18 years old which is the age when all kinds of sехual activity from an adult become ethical. Those liberals apply this minimum age of 18 for both heterosexual and homosexual. So the attempt to try and link these epidemics of molestation to the LGBT movement is a totally flawed counterproductive approach because the idea of man over 18 doing any kind of sехuаl activity with under-18 is fundamentally against secular Liberal LGBT ideology which emphasises age 18 as a fundamental pillar of their sехual ideology.
This problem of anti-LGBT religious/Conservative men molesting boys is clearly not because of LGBT but rather because of double standards hypocrisy.
The appropriate Quran verse for this situation (of religious/Conservative anti-LGBT men molesting boys) is not the verse about Qowm-e-Luut, but rather the most appropriate Quran verse is 2:44
“Do you preach righteousness and fail to practice it yourselves, although you read the Scripture? Do you not understand?”
Homosexuality is homosexuality. Does not matter if the victim is under 18 or not. Look at the stuff James Charles did. Harvey Milk had a homosexual relationship with a 16 year old. Look how NAMBLA and other pedophile groups were part of the LGBT movement in the early days. Look at this interesting thing about the sexual abuse that happened in the Catholic Church:
http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2011/05/27/3229135.htm
“the study demonstrates that the overwhelming majority of victims of sexual abuse between 1950 and 2010 were male (81 per cent) and between the ages of eleven and fourteen (51 per cent). Meanwhile 27 per cent were aged fifteen to seventeen, 16 per cent were eight to ten, and only 6 percent were under the age of seven.”
“Because the majority of the victims were pubescent or post-pubescent, the Causes and Context study rather controversially claims that it is not therefore strictly correct to refer to “paedophile priests” (paedophilia being defined as “the sexual attraction to prepubescent children”).”
Just think about it, back in the day marriages of under 18 teenagers used be more common, and historically, people were considered adults when they hit puberty. So according to the logic of people who see nothing wrong with homosexuality, it can be legitimate for a 14 year old boy to be anally penetrated if he is sexually mature.
Some of these people, like John Money, the man who invented transgender ideology, even say that a homosexual relationship with a prepubescent boy is okay.
Child rape apologists from the LGBT community of course want to claim that LGBT has nothing to do with child molestation. Yet, they can never explain how homosexuals have 3-8 times the pedophilic tendencies of non-gays and are far overrepresented among convicted child molesters: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1556756/
Ignorant people, including Muslims who have been indoctrinated with LGBT propaganda, refuse to recognize that homosexuality is nothing more than out of control shahwa which drives the person to more and more extreme sexual behaviors, including practicing desires on the same sex and eventually child molestation. If you would take your understanding of homosexuality from the Quran instead of LGBT talking points, you might recognize this.
Like you I’m also Conservative Мuslіm who is wary of the LGBT gaygenda, but it’s not going to help our cause if we use flawed stereotyping arguments which can’t convince most people, like repeating the tired of trope of stereotyping gays as pedoes, which is just as flawed as the anti-semitic stereotype which generalises jеws as being rich bankers that control the world from behind the scenes.
The fact is that more or less all the LGBT open supporters are openly fully against sехuаl activity with under-18, an activity which they all condemn and support criminalising through police raids and judicial prison sentence. Just like how they support men to do heterosexual marriage and Zinaa fornication to girls/women over age 18 years old but they condemn and criminalize men doing the exact same thing with girls under 18 years old.
So does that mean we should start blaming heterosexuality for the crimes of men rарing girls like the Pakistani and middle Eastern men in European countries who are often convicted of molesting white European girls? Those like NAMBLA who openly support man-boy molestation are tiny minority who are officially illegal, persecuted, disowned and rejected by the rest of the entire LGBT movement, like how ІSІS khwarij are tiny minority who are rejected by rest of entire ummаh.
The majority of LGBT men are normal law abiding citizens who don’t molest youngsters at all and support police to chase up and prosecute other men that molest youngsters. Gay men being overrepresented in boy abuse statistics is similar to other minorities being over-represented in crime and prison, including Muslims in the UK prisons, and African Americans and native Americans in US prisons (do you blame Islam for Muslim overrepresentation in crimes including the rape gangs of white British girls?). In every country the minorities are always over represented in prison and crime convictions, that’s just the nature of states to have a natural internal bias against minorities. Also You guys are running away from acknowledging the open fact that a large proportion of the abuse of boys, if not most of it, is being done by the supposedly religious Conservative peoples who publicly reject sodomism, i.e. Your ideological homies, not by open LGBT supporters.
Sorry that my comment keeps on accidentally duplicating, there’s something wrong with your website because it doesn’t publish my comments as soon as I upload them so I tried uploading it again after editing it slightly to shorten it.
“repeating the tired of trope of stereotyping gays as pedoes”
Ever heard of femboys and traps? Desmond is amazing and child drag queens? This sort of stuff is being pushed and normalized by the modern day LGBT movement. After they legalized same sex “marriage”, they really started pushing the boundary for this sort of stuff.
“So does that mean we should start blaming heterosexuality for the crimes of men rарing girls”
Heterosexuality and homosexuality are not equal. Without heterosexuality, humans would not exist. Heterosexuality leads to families and is needed for civilization to continue. Homosexual and heterosexual couples are fundamentally different. Comparing homosexuality to heterosexuality is like comparing bestiality to heterosexuality. It makes no sense. Homosexuality and all other deviant degenerate sexual acts are not equal to heterosexuality.
I see brainwashed LGBT supporters say things “why are they forcing heterosexuality down our throats”, your reasoning is very similar.
“Just like how they support men to do heterosexual marriage and Zinaa fornication to girls/women over age 18 years old but they condemn and criminalize men doing the exact same thing with girls under 18 years old.”
So according to the logic of LGBT, there is no difference between Daniel’s grand mother getting married at 13 and a man having gay anal sex with a 13 year old boy. Considering that marriages at a young age were permitted in the past, who is to say that sexual activity between under 18s will not be permitted in the future? In some countries like Italy, a 14 year old boy can have gay sex. If you say gay sex is okay, you can justify a 13 year old boy being anally penetrated by a 25 year old man. This sort of stuff can be justified under utilitarian liberalism and the logic of the LGBT movement.
“Also You guys are running away from acknowledging the open fact that a large proportion of the abuse of boys, if not most of it, is being done by the supposedly religious Conservative peoples who publicly reject sodomism, i.e. Your ideological homies, not by open LGBT supporters.”
They are gay. Them being gay does not justify homosexuality. If you support homosexuality as normal, you can justify the homosexual abuse they do, if you are against homosexuality, you can never justify the homosexual abuse they do, in fact if you believe homosexuality is okay, you can say they are doing a good thing for the LGBT, as they are creating more gays, as homosexuality today is very celebrated amongst the LGBT lovers. They would consider it a good thing to turn boys gay by molesting them according to their logic.
And one more thing, Daniel has sons, that is one reason why he is so passionate in being against homosexuality, he wants to protect his sons from these LGBT groomers. Even if a man who was groomed at childhood and as a teenagers only started homosexual activity after 18, he is still a victim of LGBT grooming. Just because they were not directly molested before 18 does not mean they were not victims.
“Ever heard of femboys and traps?”
Ever heard of many men being beaten up or harassed by vigilantes or tortured or murdered or sent to concentration camps just for dressing or appearing or talking in a certain way (a slightly feminine way of behaving) which others use to assume that they are LGBT? Why do you want to be so harsh and cruel with those LGBTs who are not getting involved with children?
“This sort of stuff is being pushed and normalized by the modern day LGBT movement.”
Yes I’m against their social cultural imperialism to try impose their views on others and persecute those who merely disagree with them.
“I see brainwashed LGBT supporters say things “why are they forcing heterosexuality down our throats”, your reasoning is very similar.”
I saw far right wing supporters blame prophet’s consummation of marriage to 9-year old Aisha for the many convicted criminal cases of Pakistani or Middle Eastern raping White European girls. Your reasoning of blaming the LGBT movement for the abuse of boys by ANTI-LGBT socially Conservative men is very similar.
“So according to the logic of LGBT, there is no difference between Daniel’s grand mother getting married at 13 and a man having gay anal sex with a 13 year old boy.”
The fact is that LGBT, like feminism, isn’t a centralised religion or organization with a unified central Scripture or constitution that all LGBT supporters agree to. Instead, LGBT ideology is defined by their individuals and groups who support it. If you go and speak to nearly all the open pro-LGBT individuals and groups today, they will all tell their belief that much older man having 5ex with under-18 boy is evil and should be punishable crime. According to logic of LGBT supporters there IS a BIG TWO differences between Daniel’s grandmom marrying at 13 and man doing same with 13 year old boy. One difference is age, the other difference is consent which is most of the time not there with the abuse of boys, and is often not there for the girls either who are forced to get married at that age which you support.
“Considering that marriages at a young age were permitted in the past, who is to say that sexual activity between under 18s will not be permitted in the future?”
Who is to say that Imam Mehedy will come tomorrow or your loved one will get robbed by a gang later today? We don’t know what’s going to be in the future. So whatever happens in the future, leave it to the people to decide how to react to it appropriately at that time according to the situation of that time. We don’t need to waste time reacting to hypothetical events in the future which haven’t happened yet. And by the way the 5exual activity between under-18s of a similar age (boyfriend girlfriend couples) is already permitted and normalised in many countries as long as it is mutually consensual.
“In some countries like Italy, a 14 year old boy can have gay sex.”
Same point I mentioned above. The liberals are okay with under-18s doing consensual Zinaa with similar age people, something which they don’t find unethical.
” If you say gay sex is okay, you can justify a 13 year old boy being anally penetrated by a 25 year old man.”
If you say straight sex is okay, you can justify 13 year old girl being penetrated either side by 25 year old man. By the way that’s something you support but secular Liberal feminists always oppose.
“They are gay. Them being gay does not justify homosexuality.”
No they’re not gay, they are STRAIGHT and ANTI-GAY just like you according to their own publicly declared admission. The only problem was that they failed to practice what they preach. Like the dісtаtоrs who claim to have human rights in their country but secretly support Тоrturіng dissenters in their secret jails. Say one thing in public, do the opposite in private.
“If you support homosexuality as normal, you can justify the homosexual abuse they do, if you are against homosexuality, you can never justify the homosexual abuse they do, in fact if you believe homosexuality is okay, you can say they are doing a good thing for the LGBT, as they are creating more gays, as homosexuality today is very celebrated amongst the LGBT lovers. They would consider it a good thing to turn boys gay by molesting them according to their logic.”
If you support anti-gay heterosexuality as normal, you can justify the a heterosexual abuse done by men who molest girls, if you are against anti-gay heterosexuality, you can never justify the anti-gay heterosexual abuse they do, in fact if you believe anti-gay heterosexuality is okay, you can say they are doing a good thing for the straights and “traditional orientations”, as they are creating more anti-gay straights, as anti-gay heterosexuality today is very celebrated amongst the anti-gay conservative lovers. They would consider it a good thing to turn girls straight by molesting them according to their logic.
“Even if a man who was groomed at childhood and as a teenagers only started homosexual activity after 18, he is still a victim of LGBT grooming.”
Bro, there are lots of LGBT men who grew up completely straight without any abuse whatsoever (including some like Elton John who even married women), and then they started “experimenting” with homosexuality later in life as their surrounding society became more accepting of homosexuality and removed the taboo around it. I’m speaking of only the mutually consenting adult over-18 type, not the under-18 type which is still almost universally taboo and illegal. The homosexual men are not ALL victims of childhood abuse like how you generalise and stereotype them.
At the end of the day, I’m talking like this to expose how ridiculously pathetic your tired cliche arguments are. I am socially Conservative Muslim like you, but my opposition to LGBT is only limited to when they start trying to export it into Muslim community or trying to force Muslims to accept it. Other than that I suggest we Muslims should treat it the same way like alcohol, pork, kufr and shirk.
Which means leave the cuffar alone when they do the over-18 mutually consenting homo stuff in their private sphere without persecuting them for it, as long as they don’t try to proselytise or export that lifestyle to our Muslim community. The same way that we leave them alone and tolerate them without persecuting them when they do alcohol, pork, kufr and shirk in their private homes and community centres.
If іslаmіс shаria can explicitly tolerate the Zimmy people in an ideal Іslаm country doing alcohol and the biggest sin which Аllah never forgives (shirck) in their private sphere (homes and community centres) as long as they confine their haram things to their private sphere, then what about the sins which are less than shirck.
I don’t see religious ultra-conservatives like Daniel denouncing the cuffar for other haram things like shirck, alcohol and pork anywhere near as much as chastising them for LGBT. Similar to alcohol, pork, and worshiping idols, LGBT has now been around long enough to be considered part of the customs and traditions of the cuffаr, so therefore it’s not against Іslаm for us to tolerate the cuffar discreetly doing it within their own community (the same way that we tolerate them privately worshiping idols, and consuming alcohol and pork) as long as this haram thing like LGBT is still kept away from our own Muslim community and especially our children. I think this may be what the likes of Yasir Qadhi, Jonathan Brown, Omar Suleiman et al may have been insisting all along but you guys like Daniel Haqiqatjou misunderstood them.
“And one more thing, Daniel has sons, that is one reason why he is so passionate in being against homosexuality, he wants to protect his sons from these LGBT groomers.”
That’s why, I’m in favour of is Russian style law of only restricting the open promotion or advertising of LGBT to minors while not prosecuting the adult men for doing the haram in private, not your ІSІS-style policy of murdering and/or Тоrturіng them which you and Daniel seem to support. The Russians got their law right and it is a good example for Мuslіm world. Do you want to murder the likes of Ellen DeGeneres, Tim Cook and Elton John for doing haram lust in their private lives without doing the 5exual action on children? Remember that this has now become part of their culture, customs and traditions of their Liberal religion.
If two grown men consent to do the haram lust with each other in private without promoting it or publicly advertising it and without involving children, they are not harming others, so why do you want to intrude in their private life and murder or Тorturе them for doing that haram sin in private which is halal for them in their Liberal religion? We should only give the non-Muslim LGBTs dаwah to accept islam and only after they accept islаm then we advice them to give up their homo lifestyle to become a better Muslim. But other than that there is no need for us to interfere in their internal culture, traditions and customs like over-18 mutually consensual LGBT as long as they keep it confined to their cuffar community and private sphere.
“We don’t know what’s going to be in the future. So whatever happens in the future, leave it to the people to decide how to react to it appropriately at that time according to the situation of that time.”
People from 10-15 years ago were warning that legalizing same sex marriage would lead to more things, and this has come true in what we see today. Fighting against immoral sexual degeneracy today like homosexuality will lead to future situations not happening. Imagine if instead pf legalizing same sex marriage, the west straight up made gay sex and homosexual relationships illegal. Do you think you would see the trans, child drag queens, and all the bad stuff you see the LGBT movement doing today if they decided to stop this stuff in the past?
“No they’re not gay, they are STRAIGHT and ANTI-GAY just like you according to their own publicly declared admission.”
They fall within LGB, even if they claim to be straight and have wives, they would be considered bisexual according to the LGB. So they are either gay or bisexual, and a part of the LGB. If you look at many cases of pederasty, which what the Catholic church and other forms of gay sexual abuse happen, you will see that the boy is a teenager, and in many cases sexually mature. How can men who have sexual relationships with them be straight? That makes no sense. If they said that, then it might mean they are normally straight, but chose to be gay in that situation.
Besides, those who have the pedophillic sexual disorder fall under the “sexual minority” of the LGBT movement.
How can a man who chooses to be gay not be gay? What you said makes absolutely no sense. It is like saying that a man who has sexual relations with his mother is not an incestophile, or a man who has sexual relations with dog is not a zoophile, or a man who does sex act with corpses is not a necrophile. You speak absolute nonsense there.
“If you support anti-gay heterosexuality as normal, you can justify the a heterosexual abuse done by men who molest girls, if you are against anti-gay heterosexuality, you can never justify the anti-gay heterosexual abuse they do, in fact if you believe anti-gay heterosexuality is okay, you can say they are doing a good thing for the straights and “traditional orientations”, as they are creating more anti-gay straights, as anti-gay heterosexuality today is very celebrated amongst the anti-gay conservative lovers. They would consider it a good thing to turn girls straight by molesting them according to their logic.”
Heterosexuality is the norm and needed for humans to survive. Homosexuality is a deviant sexuality like incest, necrophilia, pedophilia, zoophilia, etc. You are using the same stupid arguments pro gay LGBT people use when they say “why are you forcing heterosexuality everywhere”.
“it’s not against Іslаm for us to tolerate the cuffar discreetly doing it within their own community”
Is it according to qur’an and sunnah to tolerate them doing homosexualty amongst themselves? Can you say for sure that we can tolerate it if they lived under shariah? If you don’t know the answer and are not sure, then don’t say so.
“Do you want to murder the likes of Ellen DeGeneres, Tim Cook and Elton John for doing haram lust in their private lives without doing the 5exual action on children?”
First of all is there anything in sharia that says that women who engage in lesbianism are to be executed? Here it says there is no Hadd punishment for it:
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/21058/the-punishment-for-lesbianism
From what I can tell, many Sahaba like Ibn Abbas and Ali (may Allah be pleased with them) said that men who engage in liwat are to be executed.
https://islamqa.com/en/answers/38622/the-punishment-for-homosexuality
Murder is defined as the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought. Are you saying that the Sahaba condoned unlawful killings of people?
You do realize that this sort of stuff goes through a court and legal system, I cannot just go kill people by myself.
“If two grown men consent to do the haram lust with each other in private without promoting it or publicly advertising it and without involving children, they are not harming others, so why do you want to intrude in their private life and murder or Тorturе them for doing that haram sin in private which is halal for them in their Liberal religion?”
Do we, as muslims, have control over kafir lands and are implementing sharia there? Second of all, sins in private affect the public sphere. For example, drug and alcohol addiction in private end up affecting public life. Zina and having children out of wedlock affects the public life. Don’t buy into the propaganda that they are not harming others. They are even harming themselves when they do such acts in private, while denying that they are harming themselves. Homosexuals who engage in gay sex are delusional mentally unwell people, don’t believe their lies and delusions.
https://www.islamweb.net/en/fatwa/323245/hadd-of-zina-with-regards-to-non-muslims
Hadd of zina with regards to non-Muslims
Fatwa No: 323245. Fatwa Date: 16-5-2016. Sha’baan 9, 1437
Question
Concerning stoning, it is said that Imam Abu Hanifah and Imam Malik said that it is a condintion for the muhsan (married person) to be Muslim. Is it true that in an Islamic state Dhimmis (a non-Muslim living under the Muslim rule) will not be stoned if they fornicate but will lashed instead? Also, if they are not married, then they are given a warning but are not stopped. A hadith says that the Prophet, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, lashed two Jews for adultery but that he did not stone them, is that authentic? What is the proof used by those scholars? Can you please provide references?
Answer
All perfect praise be to Allaah, The Lord of the worlds. I testify that there is none worthy of worship except Allaah and that Muhammad salllallaahu `alayhi wa sallam (may Allaah exalt his mention) is His slave and Messenger.
What you mentioned about Abu Haneefah and Maalik, that it is a condition for the muhsan (i.e. an adult, free who has previously enjoyed legitimate sexual relations in matrimony regardless of whether or not the marriage still exists) to be a Muslim, is correct. Al-Bahr Ar-Raa’iq, authored by Ibn Nujaym, says about the conditions of ihsaan (being a muhsan), “Ihsaan from stoning to death: freedom (not to be a slave), reaching puberty, Islam, and having had intercourse in a valid marriage … but not a non-Muslim, pursuant to the hadeeth that reads, ‘Whoever commits shirk (associates partners with Allaah) is not considered a muhsan; and the Prophet’s stoning of the two Jews was according to the ruling of the Torah before the revelation of the verse of stoning, and then it was abrogated.’”
His statement included their evidence in this and refuted the hadeeth that you pointed to.
At-Taaj wal-Ikleel authored by Al-Mawwaaq Al-Maaliki reads, “Maalik said, ‘The hadd (i.e. the corporal punishment determined by the Islamic Law) is not applied to a non-Muslim in adultery; rather, he is referred to the people of his religion, and he is punished if he declares it [i.e. if he discloses his sin].”
Ash-Sharh Al-Kabeer by Ad-Dardeer from the Maaliki School of jurisprudence reads, “It is a condition in all: to have reached puberty and to be a Muslim; so the hadd is not applied on a boy, or a mad person, or a non-Muslim; them having illegal sexual intercourse is not Islamically called Zina (fornication or adultery)…”
The issue is a matter of difference of opinion; some scholars hold the view that the hadd for zina should be applied on a Thimmi (a non-Muslim living under the protection of the Muslim state); in any case, under Islamic rule, the matter depends on the Muslim ruler or his deputy, as his ruling removes disputes in matters of ijtihaad (a juristic opinion on matters that are not specified in the Quran or the Sunnah).
Allaah knows best.
These men were just “being themselves” according to LGBT logic. Do people really think these men were “born that way”? No, they were not born that way, they choose to be gay.
You want to know something funny? People say that men who molest boys are not real gays, I remember reading some scientific article or something that said that men who molest boys are not homosexual. I mean what? That is a no true scotsman fallacy, just because the homosexual does something you don’t like, and the thing he does makes him gay, it does not mean he is not gay.
If you have boys, you have to be careful with the men that are around them. Sometimes men turn gay and molest boys. It is similar to how men in prisons choose to engage in homosexuality.
And this article from 2015:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/boy-scouts-america-allow-gay-scout-leaders-n399241
How dumb do you have to be to let openly gay men around boys? Let men like James Charles and Lil Nas X become boy scout leaders? Are these people dumb? Americans in the past knew that gay men molest boys, just look at the PSA boys beware.
Interestingly, both Lil Nas X and James Charles have connections with each other:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlqCj73sppw