Is Jordan Peterson a Postmodernist? Only When He’s Asked about God

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    Jordan Peterson, Canadian clinical psychologist and “the West’s most influential public intellectual,” recently held a conversation with Mohammed Hijab and Hamza Tzortzis of the UK.

    What perplexed many was Peterson’s confusion with basic concepts.

    Peterson is asked, “Do you believe in God?”

    The response from Peterson is almost comical:

    ‘What do you mean by “do”?

    ‘What do you mean by “you”?

    ‘What do you mean by “believe?”

    ‘What do you mean by “God”?

    Playing silly games with basic language is characteristic of the postmodernists and, more specifically, the so-called French Theory, pioneered by French-Jewish thinker Jacques Derrida.

    But let’s look closer.

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    Is “Postmodernist Neo-Marxist” Even A Thing?

    Before seeing if he’s a postmodernist or not, some terminological clarification is needed.

    Jordan Peterson has often targeted what he pejoratively calls the “postmodernist neo-Marxists.”

    Of course, scholars would argue that “postmodernist neo-Marxist” is a contradiction, in the sense that postmodernism is characterized by a negation “metanarratives.” In other words, postmodernists argue against a “totalitarian” view of history, which are ill-suited for our post-industrial and post-rationalist world. These distinctions were first broached by French thinker Jean-François Lyotard in his 1979-book Postmodern Condition.

    Marxism, like liberalism and other ideologies, is a modernist ideology and has a clear metanarrative and a clear teleological approach to history. Marxism holds that there is an ultimate triumph of the proletariat over the bourgeoisie through revolutionary means, where the former seize and collectivize the means of production so that the ideal communist society will rise.

    Marxism is obviously modernist in many other aspects as well, for example, it still values a rationalist and materialist epistemology and also industrialization, things which postmodernists are at pains to problematize.

    So to talk of “postmodernist neo-Marxists” would be akin to talking of “Salafi Hadith Rejecters,” or something as contradictory.

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    Is Peterson following Bani Isra’il?

    Peterson’s recent allegiance to Zionism is no secret, but it seems that he’s now also following the worst of those among Bani Isra’il as described in the Qur’an.

    Of the negative characteristics ascribed to them, we find stubbornness, to the extent of weaponizing language, as in Qur’an 2:67-71 (the longest surah is named after the cow of this narration):

    And ˹remember˺ when Moses said to his people, “Allah commands you to sacrifice a cow.” They replied, “Are you mocking us?” Moses responded, “I seek refuge in Allah from acting foolishly!” They said, “Call upon your Lord to clarify for us what type ˹of cow˺ it should be!” He replied, “Allah says, ‘The cow should neither be old nor young but in between. So do as you are commanded!’” They said, “Call upon your Lord to specify for us its colour.” He replied, “Allah says, ‘It should be a bright yellow cow—pleasant to see.’” Again they said, “Call upon your Lord so that He may make clear to us which cow, for all cows look the same to us. Then, Allah willing, we will be guided ˹to the right one˺.” He replied, “Allah says, ‘It should have been used neither to till the soil nor water the fields; wholesome and without blemish.’” They said, “Now you have come with the truth.” Yet they still slaughtered it hesitantly!

    Mufti Muhammad Shafi writes in his Ma’ariful Qur’an:

    According to Mirqat, a commentary on Mishkat, a man among the Israelites wanted to marry a girl, but her father refused. The suitor was so incensed that he killed the father, and disappeared. It is mentioned in Ma` alim al-tanzil which says on the authority of Kalbi that Allah had not yet sent down any injunction with regard to man-slaughter. If it was so, this shows that the incident happened before the Torah was revealed. Anyhow, the Israelites requested Sayyidna Musa (علیہ السلام) to tell them how to trace the culprit. Under the commandment of Allah, he asked them to sacrifice a cow. As was their regular habit, they started raising all kinds of doubts and objections, of which the next verses give us the details.

    These verses show how the Israelites were disposed to disobedience, and how this inclination expressed itself in different forms. The Hadith says that if these people had obeyed Allah’s commandment without raising so many doubts and asking unnecessary questions, such strict condition would not have been imposed on them, and the sacrifice of any cow whatsoever would have been accepted.

    Bani Isra’il played with words in order to refuse the orders of Allah. This is not unlike Peterson, who, when offered Da’wah, began to nullify language itself by questioning the meaning of basic concepts and vocabulary.

    Interestingly, linguistic contortion is a virtue in orthodox Judaism, as can be seen in the Talmud or the mystical tradition of the Kabbalah. As academics recognize, Rabbinic interpretation of the Hebrew Bible often requires understanding the text as symbolic of a deeper meaning disconnected from the conventional meaning of the words. Numerology is also key to interpretation of the scripture, what is known as Gematria.

    That point aside, we can notice how in secular societies, extreme skepticism about language doesn’t extend beyond religion: If Peterson were ordering fast food and was asked, “Which type of burger do you want?” we can be doubtful that he’d inquire about the definitions of “which,” “type,” “burger,” etc. But even in more academic contexts, such as his field of psychology, we do not see Peterson exercise such postmodernist tendencies.

    Ultimately, in secularized society, only the Sacred becomes a mystery of meaning, to the extent that even “do” is inscrutable.

    Is Language Relative? Western Philosophy from Plato to Wittgenstein

    Peterson’s ramblings about language have deep roots in Western philosophy, beginning with Plato himself.

    A.N. Whitehead, one of the most influential British thinkers of the last century, famously said that the whole of Western philosophy could be considered as a footnote of Plato, in the sense that whatever developed later in Western thought can be found in Plato’s dialogues.

    In his Cratylus, Plato brings both perspectives which still define a philosopher’s approach to language today, that is whether language is the product of convention defined by society or whether language is something natural, even divine, preceding human attempts at rationalization.

    In the typical fashion of his Socratic method, he doesn’t offer a definite answer, hinting at the fact that such debates themselves might be useless, obstructing us from having a deeper metaphysical understanding.

    For the next centuries, Western thinkers did not add much to this debate, though there were original contributions from other civilizations, such as the 5th-century Sanskrit linguist Bhartrihari in India or Ibn Hazm in the Islamic world. (In medieval Europe, William of Ockham proposed his nominalism, but it was more concerned with epistemology rather than linguistics in the strictest sense.)

    Only in modernity do we find Europeans providing a fundamental critique of language itself, beginning with Nietzsche, who wrote in his 1889-book Twilight of the Idols:

    “Reason” in language — oh, what an old deceptive female she is! I am afraid we are not rid of God because we still have faith in grammar.

    Nietzsche, a radical atheist, believed that grammar, because it contains a sense of causality (there’s always a subject followed by a predicate in a complete sentence), hinted at the existence of God. The ultimate cause, after all, is the Creator.

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    Elsewhere Nietzsche wrote that the “I” is also a grammatical illusion.

    Nietzsche’s “perspectivism” would influence much of modern Western philosophy, including the likes of Richard Rorty, who’s often considered the best American representative of the French Theory, arguing that there are multiple notions of truth because every individual has his own subjective experience.

    Wittgenstein, considered to be the last century’s most important philosopher, in the latter part of his life also talked about “language games.” Wittgenstein argued in his “later philosophy” that words are defined by their context and use and that truth and meaning cannot be reduced to logical propositions.

    But Wittgenstein was certainly not a postmodernist and did not believe that language can be defined to mean whatever we want it to mean. Wittgenstein, in the end, proposed a more skeptical approach to philosophy itself and proposed that, instead of theorizations that ultimately go nowhere, philosophy should have a therapeutic aim, something more practical such as helping individuals live a better inner life. (One of the leading contemporary philosophers, John McDowell, follows him in that regard.)

    It’s unsurprising, then, that American philosopher Norman Malcolm, a student and close friend of Wittgenstein, was a devout Christian who tried to revamp traditional arguments for the existence of God (unlike this more recent Canadian public intellectual, who’s afraid to even mention God).

    Peterson’s thought, therefore, is a far cry from Wittgenstein, and bears more similarity to another figure, an actual postmodernist: Jacques Derrida.

    Jacques Derrida and Kabbalah in Western Philosophy

    Jacques Derrida was a French philosopher of Jewish background who is considered  by some to be the most influential thinker of the second half of the 20th century in France, even ahead of Michel Foucault.

    Influenced by Nietzsche but also the Swiss linguist De Saussure, in post-WWII France Derrida brought the concept of “deconstruction,” which is, as this article puts it:

    In 1967, Derrida introduced a new method to philosophy, which he called deconstruction. Put simply – and it rarely is, especially by Derrida – this is the idea that if something is constructed, it can be de-constructed. That applies to objects in the world, such as chairs, cars and houses, but it also applies to the concepts we use, such as truth, justice and God.

    Derrida’s influence would extend in the US from the ’70s onward, with the so-called “Yale School” headed by Paul de Man.

    Derrida himself often linked his deconstruction method with Kabbalah, a form of mystical Judaism that relativizes language, and Kabbalists themselves proudly own such a connection.

    We could thus legitimately wonder if Peterson’s recent shift towards Zionism doesn’t also explain his deconstructionist method in language as, like the Kabbalists and Derrida, he now mobilizes language itself to deconstruct religion.

    It does seem that secularization and Zionism are interconnected phenomena.

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    Bheria
    Bheria
    Researcher and writer focusing on comparative religion and philosophy

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    Muslim brother
    Muslim brother
    3 years ago

    Superb piece by Bheria, again.

    akh
    akh
    3 years ago

    ‘What do you mean by “do”?‘What do you mean by “you”?‘What do you mean by “believe?”‘What do you mean by “God”?He forgot “in”. Deviants always want to play word games to try to confuse and frustrate you…and waste your time. Whether atheist, Qadiani, Christian, Liberal, Rafidi or whatever…they all have this trait in common. Western academics also do it to appear smart and intellectual, so-called deep thinkers. It feeds their ego and they derive authority from it.

    Zahra
    Zahra
    3 years ago

    He shows no real interest in approaching Islam to learn about it for what it is intrinsically. He approaches Islam and Muslims with an agenda. I don’t understand how so many of these intellectuals of the west go on about peace to the point of crying about it, making it the only purpose of interaction with Muslims, whilst overlooking what it actually means. It also appears they have a huge blindspot, as they only want Muslims to be peaceful. It’s not Muslims who destroy entire cities and land,

    Zahra
    Zahra
    Reply to  Zahra
    3 years ago

    nor is it Muslims who developed these WMD or nuclear weapons that can destroy entire cities and countries to the point of making them inhabitable. That has never been the purpose of Islam or Muslims, because we are interested in people and not land for its own sake.

    Zahra
    Zahra
    Reply to  Zahra
    3 years ago

    *uninhabitable (not inhabitable)

    Zahra
    Zahra
    Reply to  Zahra
    3 years ago

    Is it a blindspot, or is it deliberate deception, or projection to try and absolve themselves of the discomfort in their own conscience?

    Maaz Ahmad Khan
    Maaz Ahmad Khan
    3 years ago

    Is Jordan Peterson a sell-out?What do you mean by “is”?What do you mean by “sell-out”?What do you mean by “a”?What do you mean by “sell-out”?

    What Do You Mean?
    What Do You Mean?
    Reply to  Maaz Ahmad Khan
    3 years ago

    What do you mean by “mean”?

    Maaz Ahmad Khan
    Maaz Ahmad Khan
    Reply to  Maaz Ahmad Khan
    3 years ago

    There was a time when there was hope for both Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate to become Muslim. This turned out exactly like Abu Jahl vs Umar (r). Jordan Peterson the supposed intellectual was just like Abu Hakam. Then his reality was exposed and now he spits out Jaahiliyah just like Abu Jahl. Meanwhile, Andrew Tate status was raised and his acceptance and proclamation of truth brought him closer to Allah.

    Edson dos Reis
    Edson dos Reis
    Reply to  Maaz Ahmad Khan
    3 years ago

    Ah you messed it up. What do you mean by “Jordan”? What do you mean by “Peterson”?Would have been a great comment if you hot it right.

    Maaz Ahmad Khan
    Maaz Ahmad Khan
    Reply to  Edson dos Reis
    3 years ago

    Hate to explain it, but the mess up was intentional cause Jordan Peterson = sell out.

    Hamza Omar
    Hamza Omar
    3 years ago

    Assalamu alaikum, Quite complicated to understand for most, (including me) but, from what I understood, it makes sense. Considering how Petterson almost never engages with a question directly, instead going in circles to end up not answering the question at all. This is my experience based on what I have heard from him.

    Jabir Mohamed
    Jabir Mohamed
    3 years ago

    I almost lost my mind when Jordan Peterson started saying “what do you mean by _” after every word Hijab said. He critiques Derrida and Foucault constantly and yet he’s no different from them in reality. May Allah preserve brother Hijab for his patience in that conversation -_-

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